Curse

Nevin · Jan 27, 2006, 11:33 PM // 23:33

Right now I've kinda hit a mile stone with my Necro.. He has a Major vigor rune and a Hale Cruel Staff of Fortitude (+29/+28) In total thats 98 hp... But hes a MM so he has a Superior Death Magic rune with -75 hp.. In total he has 503 hp.. Right now I have enough money to buy a Superior Vigor rune, which would raise me to 512 hp.. And if I got perfect mods on my staff (+30/+30) That'd be 515 hp... What I want to know is, would the 60k-80k that would cost me, be more valuable then say.. 4 black dyes for my necros armor? In the long run I know the 12 more hp would be more practical, but just how practical is it when it comes to being warrior ganked in pvp, I don't think the 12 makes that much of a difference.. Mind you theres tons of skills an MM can accompany himself with to make himself live longer. (Minion Bond, Demonic Flesh) What would you do if you were in my positon? And have any of you ever criss crossed with the challange of deciding on over priced mods for perfection or simply looking cool for a cheaper price?

JR · Jan 27, 2006, 11:37 PM // 23:37

Personally I think to really make a character PvP ready, it has to have perfect equipment and runes. If you don't, you may aswell just roll up a PvP character.

Teh Azman · Jan 27, 2006, 11:37 PM // 23:37

In my opinion, superior vigor isn't really worth it, unless you find one then you got a choice of either 10 hp or 40-50k... 12 hp doesn't make a difference at all, if you get down that low its now even gonna help you.

itznitro · Jan 27, 2006, 11:38 PM // 23:38

I'd drop both the hale and fortitude mods and get some armor+5 mods.

Rhuobhe · Jan 27, 2006, 11:57 PM // 23:57

This game is all about looking good. Enough said

striderkaaru · Jan 28, 2006, 12:23 AM // 00:23

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Originally Posted by Rhuobhe

This game is all about looking good. Enough said

agreed.

you can calculate 12 hp, but looking good is priceless.

raymie_y · Jan 28, 2006, 12:26 AM // 00:26

Function over Form every time. Looking good doesn't mean squat except for when you take screenshots. I'd put any one of my characters in a jester's suit with a baby rattle if it had better stats than the current armor and weapons.

SilentAssassin · Jan 28, 2006, 12:47 AM // 00:47

why do ppl want superior vigors and perfect weapons? ... not because its so much better, doesn't make a difference mostly, its just because some ppl (like me) just want to have perfect things ...

But if you only got 70-80k I wouldn't spend it on superior vigor...

Nevin · Jan 28, 2006, 12:52 AM // 00:52

Hmm, That brings me to another question.. Whats better for PvP (Cultist/Bone) or (Necrotic/Tormentor).. I don't see many smiters anymore so I'm curious to whats more efficient.

And if you're wondering about looks, I'm talking about the male 15k armors. http://tel.eohjay.net/15knec.html

Excer · Jan 28, 2006, 01:14 AM // 01:14

12 hp wont help you much at all. i suggest you either save the money or buy the dye. i'm an appearence person so yea =P

and about the pvp thing. i use my pve warrior for pvp and it doesnt have perfect stuff. but it really doesnt matter...i think its already been proven that the +14% on my sephis axe is the same as the +15% on pvp axes, but my axe looks sooo much better

i also lack about 10 hp from the pvp char...wow like that matter . i'd rather pwn my opponents while looking good with my expensive armor and weapons.

PS: No, i dont think items determine skill lvl

Fatty Fatty Boomballati · Jan 28, 2006, 01:22 AM // 01:22

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Originally Posted by JR-

Personally I think to really make a character PvP ready, it has to have perfect equipment and runes. If you don't, you may aswell just roll up a PvP character.

Ummmmmm... I'd take the black dye because I'm sure skill factors into PvP a little...

LifeInfusion · Jan 28, 2006, 01:40 AM // 01:40

Get armor +5 mods. Drop the idea of superior vigor, get yourself some nice weapon mods like +5 energy staff head (very good for MM).
Superior vigor is only 9 extra HP than the major vigor.

AND sicne you have 29/28 it is pointless to get that 3 HP from 30/30. If anything, just get a green weapon.

JR · Jan 28, 2006, 02:41 AM // 02:41

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Originally Posted by Fatty Fatty Boomballati

Ummmmmm... I'd take the black dye because I'm sure skill factors into PvP a little...

Oh really?

My point is that if your character is using non-perfect equipment, i.e. isn't "PvP ready", it is to your advantage to roll a PvP character. There you can get all the runes, armor, items, weapon upgrades with perfect stats. Unless you really care about how you look in PvP.

It may seem silly I know, but the amount of times I have been down to my last 10 hp only to get manage to heal up and recover... And that can be a game turning event in a very evenly matched battle.

Dying or losing due to using inferior equipment because you spent all your plat on black dye... just seems stupid. Yes it's not very likely to happen, but it can and it does.

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Originally Posted by LifeInfusion

Get armor +5 mods. Drop the idea of superior vigor, get yourself some nice weapon mods like +5 energy staff head (very good for MM).
Superior vigor is only 9 extra HP than the major vigor.

+5 energy is fairly pointless, a larger energy pool is a fairly small advantage compared to +30 health health. Which brings me onto my next point: With the metagame looking like it is going tawards hex heavy degen builds, I would probably stick to a +60 staff instead of +10 armor.

And yes, sup vigor is a small advantage, but black dye is no advantage at all, lol.

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Originally Posted by LifeInfusion

If anything, just get a green weapon.

Agreed. Green items are a great and *fairly* cheap way to kit out a character with perfect equipment.

dansamy · Jan 28, 2006, 02:46 AM // 02:46

Hmmm.....live longer or look good dead??

LifeInfusion · Jan 28, 2006, 02:57 AM // 02:57

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Originally Posted by JR-

+5 energy is fairly pointless, a larger energy pool is a fairly small advantage compared to +30 health health. Which brings me onto my next point: With the metagame looking like it is going tawards hex heavy degen builds, I would probably stick to a +60 staff instead of +10 armor.

And yes, sup vigor is a small advantage, but black dye is no advantage at all, lol.

Agreed. Green items are a great and *fairly* cheap way to kit out a character with perfect equipment.

I said that because he already has 29/28HP staff. There's no point in getting a 30/30 (it is only 3 HP) and all the money invested in 29/28 would be wasted.

In addition, when I say get +5 armor mods I mean on a collector staff or what not, because his current staff could be an antidegen one while the armor one would sreve against non-armor-ignoring type damage (elemental/physical).

Avarre · Jan 28, 2006, 03:08 AM // 03:08

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Originally Posted by striderkaaru

agreed.

you can calculate 12 hp, but looking good is priceless.

This man knows what he's talking about. High style for the win, people. If you have the cash, go for max mods just for completeness..

Nevin · Jan 28, 2006, 04:02 AM // 04:02

Well actually I got a rather good deal for the mods.. Only spent 9k in total on them both.

Nater · Jan 28, 2006, 09:35 AM // 09:35

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Originally Posted by Teh Azman

In my opinion, superior vigor isn't really worth it, unless you find one then you got a choice of either 10 hp or 40-50k... 12 hp doesn't make a difference at all, if you get down that low its now even gonna help you.

Yet ppl argue over Vampiric vs. other mods.

This and other replies are completely hypocritical. Off topic I know..but still.

+3 dmg matter before, but +12 hp dont. Make up your minds.

Shiro Shiverblade · Jan 28, 2006, 09:38 AM // 09:38

I would save the money or buy the dye, its not worth paying a lot for a little extra hp.

LifeInfusion · Jan 28, 2006, 07:00 PM // 19:00

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Originally Posted by Nater

Yet ppl argue over Vampiric vs. other mods.
+3 dmg matter before, but +12 hp dont. Make up your minds.

+3 damage consistently > 10% of the time sundering. Also, you STEAL that health, so with frenzy/flurry you will be stealing pretty often.